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How Much is "through thick and thin" defining what love is???

So, I was reading an article how Tiny, T.I.'s fiance, discussed how she loves T.I. and knows that it seems weird her and T.I. have been married for 2 years, but have yet to actually plan a wedding and get married... her response, to paraphrase, is that he is going through his circumstances right now with going to jail, and she will be there through "thick and thin," play the role in calming him during his situation and will be whatever he needs her to be... And everywhere you turn around, you hear couples, especially women, they put up with whatever and get "whatever" results... I mean I completely respect the love and admiration she has for her man, I really do, but at what point are your needs and desires going to be addressed if he truly "Loves You" unconditionally in return... Not to mention, that many times women mistake comfort and complacency in a relationship with having accepted the "bullshit" throughout a relationship, equaling strength, and furthermore defining Love???

Do you think people are misuing the term "through thick and thin" in order to satisfy their own insecurities within a relationship to define LOVE??? Or does this notion truly make a relationship what it is???? Thoughts....

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Not to mention, that many times women mistake comfort and complacency in a relationship with having accepted the "bullshit" throughout a relationship, equaling strength, and furthermore defining Love???
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You just said it.

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Good Question,

I think women BS themselves into believing the whole through thick or thin, ride or die nonsense all the time. But I have to say married women tend to especially do this. I have seen married women put up with more nonsense then anybody, yet because they don't want to be alone they use the whole "I took a vow" speech. The truth of the matter is at some point the vow becomes obsolete if the other person is not respecting their's. The vow then becomes an excuse to stay in a mess. Case in point, a few years back I had a girlfriend who was married to a guy who cheated on her repeatedly, got not one, but two other women pregnant during the first few years of there marriage. Not only did my girlfriend stand by her man, she also wanted to be present at the birth of one of the babies (the other woman got an abortion) to prove how down she was for her husband. That is not standing by your man that's being flat out stupid. By the way, 10 years later her husband is still cuting up!

As far as Tiny is concerned, you can't tell me that in the back of her mind she doen't feel stupid. I know she has to put on a front for the magazines and newspapers like she is the down wifey. But she knows being engaged to a man for two years, who clearly had the money to pay for a wedding two years ago, is just a stall tactic on his part. Frankly, when I look at her I see an insecure woman who probably is easying the blow of not being his wife yet, by giving herself cutesy names like wifey or the future Mrs. I tell you women have a way of rationalizing pain a way. We tell ourselves all kinds of things to get us through the night. The truth is always available though, it's just to hard to face at times..

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yana said:
Good Question,

I think women BS themselves into believing the whole through thick or thin, ride or die nonsense all the time. But I have to say married women tend to especially do this. I have seen married women put up with more nonsense then anybody, yet because they don't want to be alone they use the whole "I took a vow" speech. The truth of the matter is at some point the vow becomes obsolete if the other person is not respecting their's. The vow then becomes an excuse to stay in a mess. Case in point, a few years back I had a girlfriend who was married to a guy who cheated on her repeatedly, got not one, but two other women pregnant during the first few years of there marriage. Not only did my girlfriend stand by her man, she also wanted to be present at the birth of one of the babies (the other woman got an abortion) to prove how down she was for her husband. That is not standing by your man that's being flat out stupid. By the way, 10 years later her husband is still cuting up!

As far as Tiny is concerned, you can't tell me that in the back of her mind she doen't feel stupid. I know she has to put on a front for the magazines and newspapers like she is the down wifey. But she knows being engaged to a man for two years, who clearly had the money to pay for a wedding two years ago, is just a stall tactic on his part. Frankly, when I look at her I see an insecure woman who probably is easying the blow of not being his wife yet, by giving herself cutesy names like wifey or the future Mrs. I tell you women have a way of rationalizing pain a way. We tell ourselves all kinds of things to get us through the night. The truth is always available though, it's just to hard to face at times..

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I don't think a person should stick around for vain reasons. Well if at has to do with anything such as job loss or sickness, then that's the thick and thin that Im gonna stick around in, especially if we have been together for sometime, not to just say that, oh, Im gonna be with him and he's gonna be with me no matter what. And for Tiny and TI situations, I don't feel her waiting is in vain, for one they have a family, two, her man is not out there acting foolishly, ok, he had guns. Well who dosen't want be a ble to protect their family and being in the high life, there's greater risks. And three I have watched TI from the time he came out until now, he has definately matured and has become a more positive rapper now. Far as going to jail for all that other stuff, drugs, bangin, robbin.....NoNoNo, there's no thick and then there and some of these men will try and convince the woman to stick around. Im glad Ive learned about that years ago, never no more.

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Girrrrrlll... You done said!!! I'm glad to see I'm not alone in this notion... And many of us are putting up with it... damn shame!!! I loved the part where you pointed out they've been engaged for 2 years and 2 years ago he had the money to pay for a wedding...WOW... speak the truth!!!

yana said:
Good Question,

I think women BS themselves into believing the whole through thick or thin, ride or die nonsense all the time. But I have to say married women tend to especially do this. I have seen married women put up with more nonsense then anybody, yet because they don't want to be alone they use the whole "I took a vow" speech. The truth of the matter is at some point the vow becomes obsolete if the other person is not respecting their's. The vow then becomes an excuse to stay in a mess. Case in point, a few years back I had a girlfriend who was married to a guy who cheated on her repeatedly, got not one, but two other women pregnant during the first few years of there marriage. Not only did my girlfriend stand by her man, she also wanted to be present at the birth of one of the babies (the other woman got an abortion) to prove how down she was for her husband. That is not standing by your man that's being flat out stupid. By the way, 10 years later her husband is still cuting up!

As far as Tiny is concerned, you can't tell me that in the back of her mind she doen't feel stupid. I know she has to put on a front for the magazines and newspapers like she is the down wifey. But she knows being engaged to a man for two years, who clearly had the money to pay for a wedding two years ago, is just a stall tactic on his part. Frankly, when I look at her I see an insecure woman who probably is easying the blow of not being his wife yet, by giving herself cutesy names like wifey or the future Mrs. I tell you women have a way of rationalizing pain a way. We tell ourselves all kinds of things to get us through the night. The truth is always available though, it's just to hard to face at times..

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